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Pat Wagner's avatar

Thank you. Your definitions are clean - without excessive jargon - and concrete. And I agree with your assessment of how throwing around insults damages the integrity of conversations. Coming from an immigrant Jewish family, I don't respond well when people use words like Nazi and Hitler to denigrate people they don't like. I prefer they reserve the words for people who define themselves as Nazis, either then or now - or the actual Hitler.

Also, as someone influenced by Alfred Korzybski at a layperson's level, meaning simplistically, I find it useful to not worry so much about the label than to be able to describe and understand the specific thought, decision, or action, as you have done.

What I find interesting is what happens when you ask a person to provide you with the specifics of why they are using a particular word. Too often they parrot a dictionary definition and flounder when asked for concrete descriptions and real world examples: what I call the real world "by which I mean." If they can expound on a real world action, then we can talk about that action, based on more than subjective abstractions and not waste time trying to agree what to call it.

Also, my experience is that not using insults tends to lower the emotionality of a situation, which makes for a conversation where people can listen to each other and not feel so defensive.

John Olson's avatar

The Orwell quote seems familiar. Perhaps I was the reader who supplied it.

On the subject of fascism, may I provide an historical misquote? When asked whether fascism would ever come to this country, Huey Long is purported to have answered, "Yes, but we'll call it anti-fascism." Long actually said, "...but we'll call it something else." People prefer the misquote because it's more dramatic. Long's own Share Our Wealth program was socialistic in the worst sense of the term, but he was far from the only radical American of the time. He was one-Uptoned by Sinclair's End Poverty In California plan.

Among the ironies of those times is that a recent graduate of Eureka College, awarded degrees in economics and sociology, noticed the similarity between the New Deal and Mussolini's economic program: Private ownership of the means of production, but firm government control of them. His name was Ronald Reagan.

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