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Philly Guy's avatar

More and more of each day our current period reminds me of the 70’s. The degrowth topic is a direct knock off of Jimmy Carter’s favorite author, Eric Schumaker and his book Small is Beautiful. What a depressing concept.

When our political class fails, they redefine failure as success and success as failure. Except for them in their personal lives, of course.

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> Early in this period, [Rosling] notes, “All countries were sick and poor.” Average income in the richest countries was less than $2,000 per year in today’s money. In some countries, it was in the range of $300-$400 per person per year. And, as his graphics vividly illustrate, life expectancy was less than 40 years everywhere.

That last point doesn't *completely* instantly discredit Rosling's presentation, but it's a huge red flag. Claiming that adult life expectancy was ever less than 40 years *anywhere,* (at least in normal society under non-extreme conditions,) is a clear sign that the person making the claim doesn't know what they're talking about and doesn't understand basic statistics.

It's a fundamental statistical error to skew an average by mixing together two completely distinct data sets with very different properties and calling them all the same group. But this is exactly where such claims come from: conflating adult life expectancy in with infant/early childhood mortality. Separate out child mortality, looking at those who survived through the first few difficult years as a distinct group, and you get a picture that's remained pretty consistent throughout the ages, that we're just recently beginning to improve on.

Thousands of years ago, the Psalmist wrote, "The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away." (Psalms 90:10) That ancient estimate of 70-80 years for an adult lifespan holds up pretty well to this day.

Yes, until quite recently infant mortality was a very real problem that we've largely conquered since the invention of vaccines and antibiotics. But that point, if it's going to be made, should be made in that way, not by making absurd claims implying the existence of elderly people in their thirties.

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