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About 20 years ago, the map of "Jesusland/United States of Canada" started circulating on the Internet. It showed the West Coast, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, New York and the New England states joining with Canada. I never did think that would be accepted--the population of those states would have overwhelmed that of Canada, and the Canadians would have lost all control over their own country.

Since then, other fissures have popped up that show the weakness of that idea. The eastern counties of Oregon have been voting to look into seceding from their state to join Idaho, because of cultural differences. There have been proposals circulating to divide California into 4 or more states, because the inland regions don't like being dominated by San Francisco and LA. The western counties of Maryland would rather be part of West Virginia. And most of Illinois would like to get rid of Chicago!

The divide in our own country has been building for a long time. This page from Brilliant Maps shows two presidential elections by county--1992 compared to 2024. https://brilliantmaps.com/county-1992-v-2024/ Since 1992 there has been a huge decline in blue counties, and a big increase in deep red counties. There are only 2 states that are completely red--Oklahoma and West Virginia. And there are only three that are completely blue--Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Hawaii. But most of the land area of the US is some shade of red. And in many states, the blue counties tend to be urban areas, and sometimes college towns.

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"I presume that Trump’s arguably over-the-top bluster on the subject is an opening volley toward a defensible goal."

I think it's safe to say that this is pretty much universally true of Trump's various pronouncements.

I made my living for 15 years as a contracting officer, buying guns and bombs for the Haze-Grey Navy. Since we had many contractors who were sole-source, there were a LOT of negotiations involved. So, one of the cornerstones of negotiation was, we want to get to a "win/win outcome."

How to achieve this? Well, as one of my former bosses put it, "You start with a win/lose [in our rubric the government was to the left of the slash and the contractor was to the right] position and make the contractor push you into a win/win. If you start with a win/win, what you'll end up with is a lose/win."

I once participated in a negotiation where the contractor was being particularly obdurate and insisted we owed him a new offer before he'd revise his own position. This was a big no-no as it meant you were, as we put it, "negotiating against yourself." After a certain amount of increasingly-acerb discussion, my boss went to the blackboard and put up the contractor's position on one side; on the other side, he wrote "$0." Then he turned back to the contractor and said, "OK...here's our new offer: over to you."

For better or worse, that approach has generally stood me in good stead in my private life as well as my career. And Trump--who, let's never forget, made his bones in the construction and real-estate development industry in New York--knows this as well. So I believe that ANY statement he makes should be considered under that aegis.

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