Made me locate my CD of Messiaen's Quatour pour la fin du temps. The story is quite unique, but the last movement grabs me and clears my mind. No multi-tasking during it. From the sea to the river some Palestinians need to become free, although I am not sure they are worthy.
Nov 21, 2023Liked by Dafna Eylon, Robert F. Graboyes
Well alas kids are like that, often enough. Anything to shock the older generation. Boomer college kids wore Che Guevera shirts to college in the 60s and spat on servicemen returning from Vietnam. College kids were thrilled about Stalin (and even Hitler) in the 30s, a fact a fair number of them tried to conceal 20 years later when it was no longer considered excusable folly of youth. It's why we used to not let them vote until they were at least 21, sometimes older. As American society has increasingly fetishized youth, and worn down ancient standards of respect your elders 'cause Ye School O' Hard Knocks has taught them a thing or two about the difference between theory and reality -- this malign influence has only become more prevalent. We now have a failure of a President who quite seriously -- and unhappily maybe even corrrectly -- thinks he can simply buy the votes of the young by forgiving their most common form of serious debt (student loans), like a worthless dissipate Roman Emperor paying off the Praetorians.
To be fair, idiocy, sometimes cruel idiocy, among the young is somewhat inevitable. When you are young, you just don't have the lived experience -- the data. You are very easily fooled, by hucksters and liars, and even by yourself, by fancy words, by appeals to fitting in or FOMO, by colorful arguments rooted in delusion and deception, and can end up saying and doing things that the common sense of someone older would rule out immediately.
The good news is that the data in that table show that as people get older, they become more sensible. The bad news, though, is how long it takes -- and how wisdom arrives very late, and sometimes not at all, for some significant chunk of us.
I pity Professor Dafna Eylon, because she seeks a cease fire as soon as (if ever) the hostages are all (dead or) dribbled out. To go back to October 6.
Israel, to its credit, is not so suicidal. Not even the leftmost responsible parties.
Roberto, I am sure we agree that the world needs to see Hamas for who/what it is. I truly hope you are shaing your views with those around you and decision makers.
We know there is not a single citizen in the world who would be willing to live under threat that at any moment they might live though an October 7th Hamas massacre that included rape, murder, kinapping, and having family members mutilated in front of them.
However, many, maybe even the majority, know all you know which is problematic on so many levels, including that the west is next...
Thanks for your great contribution here, Dafna. Your words touched a lot of people. The fundamental problem, though, is that a considerable number of people do not wish to live under the threats you name … but they’re fine with you or me living under that threat. As your final word here says, though, they will likely have their Rev. Niemöller moment.
I believe you are correct. However, if the world allows this one to pass, due to the wide exposure it received in the West (unlike massacres in other parts of the world), terror orgniazations will view it as proof of how easy it is to act, and even garner support from other countries. ... This may well be the canery in the mine.
Dec 10, 2023·edited Dec 10, 2023Liked by Robert F. Graboyes
Perhaps the West is next. I would frankly prefer that to what I think most probable, which is that another attack on Israel is what is next.
And why not? If you lose, your enemies will “push you into the sea” (kill you). If they lose, you will kill some of their fighters, plus accidental collateral damage, and imprison some bad guys until they take more hostages to exchange. Total price as they account it: negligible. Wash, rinse, and repeat indefinitely.
It’s not as though there’s any threat that *you’ll* push *them* into the sea (or into Qatar).
The "west is next" does not necessarly mean it will be Hamas. It may well be other terror groups. The point the western world needs to remember is that if what Hamas did on October 7th becomes legitimized, it will incentivese others to follow in their footsteps.
Regarding your view that Hamas will continue with it's terror attacks, they would agree... its even in their charter and they even declared they will not stop with October 7th, if 'necessary" there will be more, even many more...
You were right. It was the Houthis who cut off commerce through the Red Sea (and Suez Canal), Iran- and China-flagged commerce excepted, and attacked American warships (along with land attacks on American servicemen by other Iranian proxies).
. . . To which our American administration has, barely, deigned to “decide” to respond sufficiently, but has neither announced what that would consist of, nor actually done it, nor addressed the matter in a presidential address.
None of this has caused America to realize the intolerability of a ceasefire, meaning ceasefire only by Israel: Hamas ceases firing only tactically, until nobody is watching. Rather the contrary. America is getting impatient with these Jews who insist that their children not live in terror. At this writing the administration “hopes” for an Israeli ceasefire within two weeks, with Hamas still alive. Shame on us.
Made me locate my CD of Messiaen's Quatour pour la fin du temps. The story is quite unique, but the last movement grabs me and clears my mind. No multi-tasking during it. From the sea to the river some Palestinians need to become free, although I am not sure they are worthy.
Thank you and Dafna for the update.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAQmZvxVffY
Thanks. I’ll look into the music.
Well alas kids are like that, often enough. Anything to shock the older generation. Boomer college kids wore Che Guevera shirts to college in the 60s and spat on servicemen returning from Vietnam. College kids were thrilled about Stalin (and even Hitler) in the 30s, a fact a fair number of them tried to conceal 20 years later when it was no longer considered excusable folly of youth. It's why we used to not let them vote until they were at least 21, sometimes older. As American society has increasingly fetishized youth, and worn down ancient standards of respect your elders 'cause Ye School O' Hard Knocks has taught them a thing or two about the difference between theory and reality -- this malign influence has only become more prevalent. We now have a failure of a President who quite seriously -- and unhappily maybe even corrrectly -- thinks he can simply buy the votes of the young by forgiving their most common form of serious debt (student loans), like a worthless dissipate Roman Emperor paying off the Praetorians.
To be fair, idiocy, sometimes cruel idiocy, among the young is somewhat inevitable. When you are young, you just don't have the lived experience -- the data. You are very easily fooled, by hucksters and liars, and even by yourself, by fancy words, by appeals to fitting in or FOMO, by colorful arguments rooted in delusion and deception, and can end up saying and doing things that the common sense of someone older would rule out immediately.
The good news is that the data in that table show that as people get older, they become more sensible. The bad news, though, is how long it takes -- and how wisdom arrives very late, and sometimes not at all, for some significant chunk of us.
As usual, Carl, lots of wisdom in what you say.
I pity Professor Dafna Eylon, because she seeks a cease fire as soon as (if ever) the hostages are all (dead or) dribbled out. To go back to October 6.
Israel, to its credit, is not so suicidal. Not even the leftmost responsible parties.
Roberto, I am sure we agree that the world needs to see Hamas for who/what it is. I truly hope you are shaing your views with those around you and decision makers.
We know there is not a single citizen in the world who would be willing to live under threat that at any moment they might live though an October 7th Hamas massacre that included rape, murder, kinapping, and having family members mutilated in front of them.
However, many, maybe even the majority, know all you know which is problematic on so many levels, including that the west is next...
Thanks for your great contribution here, Dafna. Your words touched a lot of people. The fundamental problem, though, is that a considerable number of people do not wish to live under the threats you name … but they’re fine with you or me living under that threat. As your final word here says, though, they will likely have their Rev. Niemöller moment.
I believe you are correct. However, if the world allows this one to pass, due to the wide exposure it received in the West (unlike massacres in other parts of the world), terror orgniazations will view it as proof of how easy it is to act, and even garner support from other countries. ... This may well be the canery in the mine.
Perhaps the West is next. I would frankly prefer that to what I think most probable, which is that another attack on Israel is what is next.
And why not? If you lose, your enemies will “push you into the sea” (kill you). If they lose, you will kill some of their fighters, plus accidental collateral damage, and imprison some bad guys until they take more hostages to exchange. Total price as they account it: negligible. Wash, rinse, and repeat indefinitely.
It’s not as though there’s any threat that *you’ll* push *them* into the sea (or into Qatar).
The "west is next" does not necessarly mean it will be Hamas. It may well be other terror groups. The point the western world needs to remember is that if what Hamas did on October 7th becomes legitimized, it will incentivese others to follow in their footsteps.
Regarding your view that Hamas will continue with it's terror attacks, they would agree... its even in their charter and they even declared they will not stop with October 7th, if 'necessary" there will be more, even many more...
I didn’t mean Hamas. (Not necessarily, and not probably: I think Israel will deal with Hamas now.) We Jews have plenty of deadly enemies.
You were right. It was the Houthis who cut off commerce through the Red Sea (and Suez Canal), Iran- and China-flagged commerce excepted, and attacked American warships (along with land attacks on American servicemen by other Iranian proxies).
. . . To which our American administration has, barely, deigned to “decide” to respond sufficiently, but has neither announced what that would consist of, nor actually done it, nor addressed the matter in a presidential address.
None of this has caused America to realize the intolerability of a ceasefire, meaning ceasefire only by Israel: Hamas ceases firing only tactically, until nobody is watching. Rather the contrary. America is getting impatient with these Jews who insist that their children not live in terror. At this writing the administration “hopes” for an Israeli ceasefire within two weeks, with Hamas still alive. Shame on us.